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The names helped, i saw Ben Frankiln and the name popped into my head, its 'Brigadier' Benedict Arnold who i was thinking of.


Now what was the battle(s) i read about that made him stand out. I know he was SOL with Quebec from memory, and why did Franklin make me think of Arnold... How my mind stores things, it certainly aint NTFS for sure.

Perhaps it was the battle of Saratoga, just after this we went to war with France and Spain, or did they want a fight with us so we took them on





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The Dark Eagle ! If he had been caught as a traitor would his leg have been chopped off and buried as a hero and the rest of him hanged ? I think it is the Sci Fi book by H.Piper that makes me wonder about Arnold, if he died at Quebec and was absent from the battle of Saratoga, and us Brits won then we would have won the 'war'. Something like that, a 'what if' book and i like 'what ifs'

If you guys had won the war we'd all be speaking English right now. Errmm... wait a minute...

Yup it was Saratoga. The British army in New York ended up surrendering which basically closed that front in the war. More importantly, the American victory there convinced France to enter the war openly and they declared war on Britain. War is an extension of politics is it not?

Wikipedia has a nice article on Arnold:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benedict_Arnold

--JD

See! wasn't that nice to finally remember that name..
JD:
"War is an extension of politics is it not?"

Yeah... just another excuse to get out and vote....

That bugs me, how can it have been an 'American' Victory before the decleration of Independace ? There were NO American's, only colonial persons some might call dross that rebelled against their King and his Taxes, or to bring it into this century "Insurgents"...

Well I guess it would be a matter of perspective in the history books. Since they were future Americans would tend to result in the history books to call it an american victory.... does that make sense?

Nada makes no sense, which is what i do 99% of the time.


It also depends on what history books you read, and if 'Hollywoods' history books are mainstream over in your neck of the woods then all i will say is "Dear God" (Borowed from the video g posted earlier"

Well, since the colonies declared their independence in 1776 and the battle at Saratoga was in 1777, I think it fits your criteria. Now if you only count it as 'American' after the surrender of Cornwallis in 1781 or the establishment of a constitution in 1787 that's another story...

Recipe for revolution (insurrection): levy taxes on a population without any representation in Parliament, a right that all other British citizens enjoyed. Add feisty Massachusetts businessmen, 14 gallons of tar, and one sack of feathers. Heat until boiling. Works every time.

Trust me, with all the crap that followed in the 19th century you were better off without us, although I suppose you would have avoided the whole 1812 thing

--JD

Oh come now, how many folks in the UK think that Richard III really did say, "A horse, a horse, my kingdom for a horse"? Quite the majority I'll warrant. Besides, nobody reads anymore. I can get all the American history I need by watching John Adams on HBO (which is quite good, BTW, highly recommended). I'm fully versed in the history of the Tudors by watching Showtime.

--JD

What's a few crates of tea eh? Wasnt' there something about garrisoning troops in people's homes and other (for lack of a better term) opressive behavior? I guess i'm not up on my history:-)

I got all mine from watching Grizzly Adams, is it the same bloke ? I also get a lot of my history from Mel Gibson films, although im a bit sceptical of this Jesus feller.


I will keep an eye out for the John Adams prog you mention, might see if its on Torrents (omg an illigal downloader and pirate, arrrrr jim lad).

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I got all mine from watching Grizzly Adams, is it the same bloke ? I also get a lot of my history from Mel Gibson films, although im a bit sceptical of this Jesus feller.


I will keep an eye out for the John Adams prog you mention, might see if its on Torrents (omg an illigal downloader and pirate, arrrrr jim lad).[/quote]

I did like the Braveheart film Mr. Gibson did. I saw parts of the patriot, and thought it was good, but not good enouph to hold my interest. I'm more interested in Dr. Who and such. I think there showing season 3? or 4? Anyway, it has a great start.

Torrents.... never heard of it. course I'm not as web savy as I should be. Most of my days are working up on the telephone poles and trying to get home in time to see my kids off to bed. I did not even know the Isrealis had bombed the syrians a couple of days ago. Just learned that today.

That was quiet a few months ago, but only now are they coming clean over it, and 'we' are still waiting to hear of any 'American' involvement. It is a clear case of let the dust settle and then we will say if we helped or not. The only drawback is "these Arabs" have long memories and as they said about the bombing at the time their was American involvement they are 50% right, two accusations and 1 has been confirmed true by 'us western pigs', then chances are the US of A did loan the jews a satalitte or lent them some Radar evading gizmo's (that has been admitted in the past, but purely for testing of course) adding to the Arabs hatred of us westerners.

I dont like the way the world is turning, we should either Nuke them all, or ignore them and let them lead the misrable lives they chose to lead rather than conforming to the western ideals of democracy and fairness.

Decomissioning Nukes is expensive, so i vote 'we' save out tax £'s/$'s and use them

Toymenater? Is that you?

Was it an 'ohnyuk' moment then?


I do not know about you, but we have only dropped 2 in Anger, and since then they have got 40 X's or more powerfull, and i am curious as to the size of the hole it would make.

I also see some logic in that preachers words, Obama's reverend or something. His only downfall if using History AND the bible, history is enough, and using the Romans as examples when you had the likes of the Aztecs closer to home, and im sure a whole host of 'races/civilizations' before them.

We made a mistake, and rather than try to fix it why dont we take out or big erasers (Nukes) and erase the mistake from the text book that will be history one day. I really need to see the size of the hole a 40kT nuke would leave, and i need to see if all that sand would turn to glass, and if it did we could use that for our bottled drinks instead of un-enviromentally plastics thus making the planet less polluted. If we dont use all our nukes up i vote we also target Estonia (Eesti but i say eSSti as it irks them you said SS), but that is a different story.

I wonder what this button does...... oops... Don't we have something that will leave the real-estate intact? perhaps we could then sell them off as world time-shares